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How to Buy Custom Soccer Nets

Summary of the Video

What are the most common requests for custom soccer goal nets?

Custom Sizes

  • height, width, top depths and back depths
  • custom mesh sizes

Other requests

  • Logo Nets
  • Striped Nets
  • Checkered Nets

Logo Nets

  • We can print letters on the back of a small custom mesh net
  • NCAA just approved logos on soccer nets
  • We can print them on the windscreen that we sew on to the net

What factors influence cost of custom soccer goal nets?

Size of the Net/Mesh

  • There is a square footage cost for material
  • We can custom make nets in different mesh sizes and colors
  • The smaller the mesh is, the more expensive it is

What other factors should be taken into consideration when looking at custom goal nets?

The nets use

  • Indoor facilities with high traffic for shots would require a higher strength net with a smaller mesh
  • Higher strength nets are also recommended for facilities where multiple sports are played

The life of the net

  • Stronger nets with smaller mesh last longest
  • Our most common mesh size, 2-inches, sees an average life span of 3-7 years

Custom Colors

  • There are certain materials that nets only come in specific colors
  • We can paint colors onto the net but it gets expensive and will wear over time
  • We recommend getting a net in a standard color with the size that best fits your needs
  • You can get checkered or striped nets but can get very expensive

Transcription of the Audio

What are the most common requests for custom soccer goal nets?

John – We do get a lot of customer requests for soccer nets.  The main things that we get asked for are custom sizes. People want different heights, widths, top depths and back depths.  We also get asked for different mesh sizes on those. Other common requests that we get are for logo nets, stripe nets or checkered nets. We can do logo nets in a number of different ways. The most common is by printing letters on the back of a small mesh net that we can custom. The other way is by printing on the windscreen that we then sew into the net. The NCAA just approved putting logos on soccer nets. The best way to do that is by printing a logo on a windscreen and sewing it onto the back of the net.

What factors influence cost of custom soccer goal nets?

John – Influences on the cost of custom nets is the size of the net. There is a square footage cost for material. The size of the net is going to matter in regards to the cost. The mesh size is going to matter as well. Most soccer nets have a 4-inch mesh net or smaller. The smaller the mesh is, the more expensive it is. We can custom make nets in different mesh sizes. We commonly use a 2-inch mesh as it is available in multiple colors including: white, black, royal blue, yellow, gray and there is sand that we can have the net made out of.

What other factors should be taken into consideration when looking at custom goal nets?

John – Other considerations people should use when ordering custom nets is how the net is being used.  If it is indoor facility that has high traffic for shots being taken on that goal should go with a higher strength net and possibly a smaller mesh net. It also depends on if other sports are being played in that area especially in an indoor setting and then that net would stop the ball of that size. We are commonly seeing indoor buildings having lacrosse being played on their soccer goals but they cannot stop lacrosse balls so balls sometimes are going out of that area. You should consider the sports that are being played there besides soccer. Other considerations include how long a net will last. Typically, the stronger and smaller the mesh, the longer it is going to last. We see 2-inch mesh nets lasting in an outdoor setting somewhere between three to seven years. The smaller the mesh, the more holes have to be in it before you have to replace it. We do get a lot of requests for custom colors. There are certain materials that nets only come in on those colors. We can paint colors on the net but that gets expensive and tends to wear out over time. The dye on the net only lasts for a certain period of time. Our recommendation will be to get a net in a standard color and get the size you want. If you want a checkered or stripe net, we have stocked ones of those that we can do. Customs nets that are checkered or striped get very expensive but what we can do that with paint.

 

 

 

Soccer Nets – What is the right net for your situation?

Soccer Nets

Listen to the discussion about Soccer Nets with John Moyniham

Soccer Nets – What is the right net for your situation? (click on the link for more information)

We sell a wide range of soccer nets available for customers based their specific wants and needs. We recommend getting a net that is closest to your chosen goal size and remember, you get what you pay for. Expensive nets have a higher quality and will last longer

Net sizing (Click on the link for more information)

3 MM braid is your best type of net if you are taking the net up and down often.

3 MM braid

4 MM or 6 MM polypropylene net is best if you are leaving your nets up for the season and do not have vandalism problems.

4 MM braid

6 MM braid

HTPP (High Tenacity Polypropylene) Nets – This material of netting, if in a high UV area, will wear better than polypropylene netting. It is also available with smaller mesh.

Small mesh netting – Smaller mesh netting lasts longer than larger mesh netting. It is harder for kids to climb on and require more holes before needing to be replaced. The only downside is they are more susceptible to wind and need to be anchored with weights or sandbags.

Excess netting – Many times there is excess netting at the bottom of the goal. We recommend rolling up the excess netting so it does not drag on the ground. If you have a wheeled goal, make sure to roll the netting up as well so it doesn’t get stuck in the wheel bracket. We recommend using plastic ties to secure the net.

 Vandalism – If you live in an area with high vandalism, we recommend getting the cheaper 3 MM braid because vandals can still cut or burn through more expensive netting.

Practice Goals – These goals are shot on more frequently than game goals, so we recommend getting higher quality netting so it will last longer.

Transcription of the Audio

John – We have a wide range of soccer nets available for customers based on their different needs. Basically, they come in different sizes, materials and colors. When deciding what net is best for you, it is best to pick the net based on your budget and your use. If you are taking the net and up down often, a 3 MM braid is your best type of net. We have 3 MM twist, 3 MM braid, 4 MM braid and 6 MM braid.


JohnIf you are leaving your nets up for the season and do not have vandalism problems, a 4 MM or 6 MM polyethylene net is better than a 3 MM braid and will last longer. We also have high tenacity polypropylene nets, otherwise referred to as HTPP. These nets, if there in a high UV area, tend to wear better than a polyethylene net.  These nets are also available with smaller mesh. Some people prefer smaller mesh nets because it is harder for kids to climb on and it needs more holes in the net before they are replacing them. Smaller mesh nets will last longer than a larger mesh net. The one downside of smaller mesh net is that there is more wind load on the goals if it is a high windy area and the goals are unanchored or using sandbags to secure.


John – The best thing to do is pick the net size that is closest to the goal size that you have and if there is excess net then roll up the bottom of the net so it does not drag on the ground or if there are wheels on the goals, it cannot get caught in the wheels. Some people use plastic ties to secure the nets so they do not get in wheel brackets.


John –  One thing to remember is that you normally get what you pay for. The more expensive net you buy, the longer it will last. The one downside is if someone vandalizes the nets by cutting them or burning them which has happened in the past. The thickness and the mesh size does not matter if it is in a high vandalism area. It is best to go with a 3M braid net and just replace as needed.  Some people decide that a practice net could be a lighter weight net than a game net.  Often the practice nets are the nets that get used the most often and have the most shots taken on them. So again, if you want to replace the net less frequently, go with a higher priced net for a practice goal net as long as a goal can support that.

Motorized Divider Curtain and Netting Systems from Keeper Goals

Motorized Divider Curtain System

Listen to discussion about Motorized Divider Curtains with John Moynihan

Motorized Curtain Divider

A divider curtain or net is attached to the ceiling and can be raised or lowered using a motor. The net or curtain folds up as it is raised and is then stored in the ceiling area. A button on a key switch motor is used to move the net.

Fold-up System – Folds the nets up to the ceiling like an accordion. It can store the net closer to the ceiling. This system has been found to work better and last longer than the Roll-up system.

Roll-up System – Rolls the nets up into a structure in the ceiling like a shower curtain

 Advantages

  • One person can easily raise and lower the curtain or net.
  • It is stored in the ceiling area so it is out the way and doesn’t require a storage area on the ground.

 Disadvantages

  • It takes time to raise and lower the divider curtain or net.
  • This system is more expensive than others.
  • It will need maintenance over time.
  • The building must have the proper design needed to install the motorized system.

 Material Options

  • Vinyl curtain with Snyder Mesh top
  • Flex-mesh curtain with vinyl base
  • Netting with D-rings sewn into it and weighted base
  • Most commonly we use 1-3/4 inch or 1-1/2 inch mesh
  • Curtains are better option for motorized systems than nets

Transcription of the Audio

John – Another way to divide up courts is to use a motorized system.  Motorized systems can be used with either netting, flex mesh material that is easy to see through, or vinyl with a Schneider mesh or flex mesh top. These systems rise from the ground up to a point where they attach in the ceiling. The good part about it is all the netting or curtain stores up in the ceiling area and you can press a button with a key switch motor to lower or raise the curtain to get it out of the way.


John – The downside of the system over the others is that it is more expensive to do a motorized system and there is some maintenance that is involved with it because parts can wear over time. As far as the curtain, you can use any type of material, but normally you must have some weight at the bottom of it. Most commonly, we use a 1-3/4 inch or 1-1/2 inch mesh. If you are using netting, but we often suggest flex mesh which holds the shape better and does not stretch over time like netting does. Flex mesh is also easier to see through than traditional nylon netting.


JohnThe different types of motorized systems include a fold-up system that folds the netting to the ceiling like an accordion and a roll up system where it rolls up, kind of like a shower curtain to a structure up in the ceiling. We have found that the fold-up curtains and netting work longer and better than the roll-up system. The advantage of other roll-up system is that it can store closer to the ceiling. In all cases, there might have to be bridgework put in the ceiling or we have to attach it to Joyce Structure. So building plans and pictures of the area are needed in order to get any kind of pricing on these.

Tension Divider Nets – John Moynihan (Keeper Goals)

Listen to full discussion with Keeper Goals owner, John Moynihan

Tension Divider Net

What are the advantages and uses of Tension Divider Nets?

Tension Divider Nets (Phantom Divider Nets)

  • A strong and flexible cable is put on top of the net and hangs between two walls with a pulley or winch system.

Tension Divider Net Winch System

  • Tension Divider Nets come in a variety of sizes you can pick from depending on what you want to use it for. Some popular heights are 10 ft, 12 ft, 15 ft or up to 25ft. Tension divider nets can be almost width depending on the structure it will hang on.
  • It works best for dividing an area for soccer, lacrosse, field hockey or volleyball. It can also be used for a batting cage for baseball or soccer. (Click on “batting cage” for a video)

Tension Divider Net Batting Cage

  • There will be some sag in the net, but that can be reduced by using a winch system.
  • It is cost effective and can be a fast and easy set up once you know how to do it.
  • Tension Divider Nets are easy to store and can be put away is something as small as a hamper or a roll away garbage can.

Tension Divider Net Hamper for storage

  • We recommend using netting for this system instead of a divider curtain or vinyl.
  • 4-inch netting is recommended for soccer, volleyball or basketball, while 2-inch netting is recommended for lacrosse or when younger kids are playing to avoid getting their feet tangled on the bottom of the net.

Transcription of the Audio

John – Another type of way to divide a court up is to use what we call a tension divider net or phantom divider net. These nets are hung between two points. They are normally hung between two walls with a pulley or winch system.  We actually put a cable on top of the net that is a high strength rope so it is flexible and can be moved. We then create tension in the net between those two points with the use of either Camlock, with the rope in a cleat, or with a winch on each wall. This is ideal when someone cannot have the net stored in the side of the building with a walk draw or do not have the money to do a motorized system to raise the net up.

JohnIt is very ideal for areas that just want a net at a certain height to divide for soccer, lacrosse, field hockey or volleyball. A lot of times these nets can be somewhere between 10 ft high, 12 ft high, 15 ft high or up to 25 ft high.  The good part is that you can pick the height that you need. There will be some sag in between the net from point to point, but that can be reduced by using a winch system. On those types of systems, we often see people take down the net when it is not being used and store in a hamper or something like a garbage can that could be rolled and stored in the closet. The advantage of this over motorized system is that it costs a lot less and it is fast and easy to set up for people once they know what to do.

John – On divider tension nets we recommend that you use netting and not a divider curtain or vinyl. The netting weight works where you can then hoist and lift it because there is a load that goes on each wall or off each ceiling joist that you are going to attach it to. We normally suggest people using 4 inch for soccer, volleyball or basketball and 1-1/2 inch for lacrosse or situations where the end line is close to people’s feet so kids’ feet do not get caught in a 4-inch mesh net.

Different types of Walk-Draw Curtains from Keeper Goals

 Listen to full discussion with Keeper Goals owner, John Moynihan

Budget Track Curtain Divider

What are the different types of Walk-Draw Curtains and what situations do you recommend them in?

Walk-Draw system with netting on a cable

  • Ideal for use when the walls are strong enough to suspend the cable under tension
  • We would suggest putting a roller on the cable that connects to the net
  • Least expensive curtain system
  • This system is easy to use and the curtain can be pulled quickly from wall to wall

Walk-Draw system on tracking (Two types of tracking: Budget and Steel)

Budget tracking

  • We recommend this system with a lower ceiling (20 feet or less)
  • This tracking is best used for Volleyball, Basketball, Futsal or Soccer
  • The tracking is suspended from the ceiling
  • This tracking system needs to be supported every 8 feet
  • The Rollers on net allow an easy pull to the other side
  • Divider Curtains can be used using vinyl with mesh on top allowing you to see through to the other side
  • 4 inch mesh is recommended

Steel tracking

  • This tracking is recommend for a higher ceiling (20 feet or higher)
  • This tracking is best used for Lacrosse, Baseball or Field Hockey
  • The steel track has a larger capacity that will hold strong and continue to roll even with dents
  • We recommend that this system is supported every 10 feet
  • We have weights that may be added to the bottom of the net so balls will not pass under
  • We provide extra netting that can be added to bottom to prevent balls from passing under as well
  • 1 ½ to 1 ¾ mesh is recommended if younger kids are playing to avoid their feet getting caught in the net

Transcription of the Audio

Cody – This is Cody Johnson and on today’s segment we’ll be talking with John Moynihan more about the walk-draw divider curtains that we sell at Keeper Goals. We will be talking specifically about the different types of walk-draw divider curtains that we sell and the different situations that we recommend them in.

John – There are different types of walk-draw divider curtains or netting systems.  The first one is a walk-draw system with netting on a cable You would do this when the walls are sufficiently strong enough to suspend the cable under tension from point to point and we would suggest putting a roller on that cable that the net would connect to like a shower curtain. You would then pull that net across to the other side. This is a least expensive way to do a curtain system.  The advantage of it is it’s fast and it’s easy, but the disadvantage is the wall has to be strong enough to hold that cable.  Also, if the span is too long, there’ll be sag in the cable and you might not be able to use that.  Sometimes we do things like center support that cable or run two runs of cable so you could divide up the net and move it in two different directions but support that cable in the middle.


John –  Another type of walk-draw system is on tracking.  There are two different types of tracking. Budget  and Steel.  We use the budget tracking system with a lower ceiling height, normally 20 feet or less, and it is used for volleyball, basketball, futsal or soccer. The budget track gets suspended from the ceiling.  This track has to be supported about every 8 feet and there are rollers on that track that make it easy to pull a net across to the other side.  You can also use this track when you’re doing it with a divider curtain, using vinyl and then some mesh on top or a curtain with a flex mesh track curtain on it.  Flex mesh is easier to see through and it holds its shape better than traditional netting over time.


John –  If there’s a higher ceiling or you’re using it for lacrosse, baseball or field hockey, then we suggest using a better track that can take dents a little bit better than the budget track.  It’s a steel track and it has a larger capacity that will hold and if it does get dented, the rollers still, at times, can work through that.  That tracking needs to be supported every 10 feet and it will allow you to bring back a net or a curtain or a flex mesh curtain back and forth.  Some of the different option on those is you can weight the bottom of the net or curtains with chains so balls don’t pass underneath it or you can take extra net to have it on the ground so people don’t roll it up.  On any of those systems, we recommend 4-inch mesh for futsal, soccer, basketball or volleyball.  But at times, people might get their feet caught in that net, especially if young kids are playing in that area and so a lot of times we use smaller mesh, either an inch and three quarters or an inch and a half. We suggest using it for lacrosse on those systems.

Flat Shooting Goals – An Interview With Keeper Goals Owner John Moynihan

FFIT Shooting Goal

FFIT Shooting Goal

 

efsg-shooting-goal

EFSG Shooting Goal

Comparison of Two Types of Popular Flat Shooting Goals

What setting would you use a FFIT shooting goal in?

-Any place where a goal needs to be taken down and moved quickly

-Easily transported (Fits in car or trunk)

What setting would you use the EFSG shooting goal in?

-Ability to move in different places

-Heavier and more durable then the FFIT but still relatively easy to transport

What are some features of the FFIT?

-Breaks down into pieces and fits into a bag for transport

-Fit together so no tools are needed to set up

-Sledgehammer is needed to pound in steaks if ground is hard

-Very durable

-Easily transportable

-3-5 minutes to set up

-Option to have a weight and base for indoor or turf use

What are some features of the EFSG shooting goal?

-2-inch aluminum pieces

-More durable and heavy duty

-Few pieces to put together with push buttons

-Easy to assemble but stronger than other flat-sided goals on the market

-Sledgehammer needed to pound in stakes

-Option to have a weight and base for indoor or turf use

Transcription of Audio Question with John Moynihan

Cody – My name is Cody Johnson and I am here with John Moynihan the owner of Keeper Goals and this will be the first question in a series of Q&As.  John, you offer several types of flat shooting goals, tell us about two of your most popular the FFIT Shooting Goal and the EFSG Shooting Goal.  What setting would you use with that?

John – Well, these goals are used for people who want a frame to shoot at, but do not necessary need a goal with a back depth. The FFIT is mainly used for people that want the goal to be broken down and taken from place to place.  It can be transported in the car or in the trunk.  It breaks down into a 4 foot section.  The FSG is mainly used for people who want a frame at one site and can be moved around on that site easily. It is not something that is going to be taken to different sites each day.

Cody – Okay, and then if you could just talk about a couple of some of the best features of each of the goals.

John – One FFIT five phase shooting goal feature is that it can be broken down breaks into pieces that fit into a 4 foot bag. They all fit together without any tools needed to assemble the goal itself.  The only tool that might be needed is a sledge hammer if the ground is hard to get the stake into the base.  It is durable.  It is transportable and it is easy to set up, takes about 3 to 5 minutes to set up once someone knows what they are doing.

John – The EFSG is all 2-inch2 aluminum, very heavy duty.  It has a few pieces that you put together with push buttons so it is easy to assemble and it is strong, stronger than most of the other flat-sided goals that you will see in the market.  The only tool you need is a sledge hammer in order to pound in the ground if you are staking it into the ground. Both have an option to have a weight and base for indoor use or for turf.  We also have the flat base that you can add  sandbags to weight it down if you do not want to stake it in the ground.

Cody – Okay thank you very much John.  Again, this has been the first question in our series of Q&As with John.